2009 Honda Odyssey Complaint Log

THE CAR'S AC SYSTEM IS MALFUNCTIONING. THE AIR CONDITIONING WILL SOMETIMES BLOW COLD AIR AND OTHER TIMES BLOW WARM AIR WHEN ON THE LOWEST TEMPERATURE SETTING WITH THE AC ON. ALSO, IT WILL SOMETIMES BLOW HOT AIR ON THE DRIVER'S SIDE AND COLD AIR ON THE PASSENGER'S SIDE. WE'VE TAKEN THE VEHICLE TO TWO DIFFERENT SHOPS (NON-HONDA) AND BOTH HAVE CONFIRMED THE UNIT IS COMPLETELY CHARGED AND CAN NOT DETERMINE WHAT THE ISSUE IS. A SEARCH ON THE ISSUE SEEMS THAT SEVERAL OTHER OWNERS ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME ISSUE WITH THEIR VEHICLES. *JS

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT RECEIVED A NOTIFICATION FOR NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER: 14V112000 (FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE). HOWEVER, THE DEALER REFUSED TO PERFORM THE RECALL REPAIRS SINCE THE VEHICLE HAD BEEN MODIFIED CHANGING THE LOCATION OF THE FUEL TANK. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE PROBLEM. THE VEHICLE HAD NOT EXHIBITED THE FAILURE.

WE OWNED A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY . THIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN MAINTAINED WELL FOR YEARS AT HONDA DEALERSHIPS. I HAVE PURCHASED EXTENDED WARRANTY FOR 120K MILES ON THIS VEHICLE SINCE WE WERE PLANNING TO USE THIS VEHICLE FOR A LONG TIME. LAST TIME I HAD ANY WORK DONE ON THIS CAR WAS IN 12/31/13 AT A HONDA DEALERSHIP. IT WAS A MAJOR SERVICE. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE VEHICLE UNTIL THE EVENT THAT LED TO THE FIRE ON THE VEHICLE. AS MY WIFE WAS DRIVING HER ODYSSEY ON I-280/CA-85, SHE STATED THAT ALL THE WARNING LIGHTS/GAUGE ON THE DASHBOARD CAME ON. AT THE SAME TIME SHE REALIZED THAT CAR WOULD NOT ACCELERATE. WHEN SHE INSTINCTIVELY LOOKED AT THE TEMPERATURE GAUGE ON THE DASHBOARD, IT WAS NORMAL (ABOUT HALFWAY UP) DUE TO THIS SYMPTOM, SHE WAS FORCED TO PARK THE CAR TO THE SIDE OF THE HIGHWAY. AT THIS POINT, MY WIFE ORDERED BOTH OF MY KIDS IN THE CAR TO EXIT THE VEHICLE AND MOVE TO THE SIDE OF THE ROAD ON THE HIGHWAY. SHE DID EXIT THE VEHICLE AS WELL. AS THE SMOKE FROM THE CAR CHANGED FROM WHITE TO BLACK, SHE CALLED 911. AS SHE WAITED FOR THE FIRE ENGINE TO ARRIVE (WHICH ACCORDING TO HER TOOK 10 MINUTES), WHOLE CAR WAS ENGULFED IN FIRE FROM BUMPER TO BUMPER. WHEN I ARRIVED AT THE SCENE, THERE WERE POLICE CARS AND FIRE TRUCKS. TWO LANES ON CA-85 WAS CLOSED. MY WIFE AND MY KIDS WERE IN SHOCK AND WERE CRYING. I TOOK MY WIFE AND KIDS HOME AFTERWARDS. WE LOST PERSONAL ITEMS THAT WERE LEFT IN THE CAR SUCH AS GLASSES, JACKETS, AND OTHER ITEMS. SANTA CLARA COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT TOLD ME THAT THEY WILL BE OPENING UP A CASE. I CAN NOT STOP TO THINK ABOUT WHAT IS THE REASON WHY THIS FIRE OCCURRED ON THE VEHICLE. WE DID NOT HAVE ANY INDICATION THAT THIS WOULD OCCUR EXCEPT FOR THE LAST MINUTE DASHBOARD INDICATION. CONSIDERING THE VEHICLE WAS BOUGHT/SERVICED AT HONDA, WE ARE BEGINNING TO LOSE FAITH ON HONDA VEHICLE/SERVICE IN GENERAL. *TR

THE TAILGATE STRUTS THAT SUPPORT THE TAILGATE (BACK) DOOR OF THE MINIVAN FAILED (COLLAPSED) WHEN THE AUTOMATIC DOOR WAS OPENING. THERE IS A RECALL ON THIS VERY PROBLEM, MAKE, MODEL AND YEAR: HONDA ODYSSEY 2009, HOWEVER, MY VIN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL. HONDA INC CONFIRMS THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING REPORTS LIKE THIS ONE FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE CARS WERE NOT MADE PART OF THE RECALL. *TR

THE TAILGATE STRUTS THAT SUPPORT THE TAILGATE (BACK) DOOR OF THE MINIVAN FAILED (COLLAPSED) WHEN THE DOOR WAS IN ITS OPEN POSITION. THIS CAUSED THE BACK DOOR TO SLAM SHUT WITH GREAT FORCE. THE STRUTS ARE CYLINDERS FILLED WITH GAS UNDER PRESSURE USED TO POP THE DOOR OPEN AND HOLD IT OPEN. THE DOOR IS VERY HEAVY AND DID NOT FAIL IN A FAILSAFE MANNER (LOCKUP FOR EXAMPLE), INSTEAD THE SYSTEM FAILED TO SUPPORT THE DOOR IN ITS OPEN POSITION. THERE IS A RECALL ON THIS VERY PROBLEM, MAKE, MODEL AND YEAR: HONDA ODYSSEY 2009, HOWEVER, MY VIN WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL. HONDA INC CONFIRMS THAT THEY ARE RECEIVING REPORTS LIKE THIS ONE FROM OTHER PEOPLE WHOSE CARS WERE NOT MADE PART OF THE RECALL. *TR

THE STRUTS SUPPORTING THE REAR HATCH DOOR ARE NO LONGER SUPPORTING THE DOOR AND IT FELL ON MY HEAD WHEN PUTTING IN MY GOLF CLUBS. I BELIEVE IT IS THE SAME STRUT PROBLEM THEY HAD IN THE RECALL FOR SIMILAR MODELS, OTHER VIN NUMBERS. I TALKED TO MY DEALER AND HONDA CORPORATION BUT IT IS A DIFFERENT VIN AND NOT COVERED BY THE RECALL. I THINK IT IS THE STRUTS ON ALL OF THE 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY'S AND NOT JUST A SELECT FEW AS IN THE RECALL. *TR

THE TPMS CAUSES SLOW AIR LEAKS TO DEVELOP DUE TO FAULTY GASKETS/O RINGS. TIRES WITH THIS PROBLEM REQUIRE REFILLING WITH APPROXIMATELY 5 LBS OF AIR PRESSURE PER WEEK.

PAINT ON THE ROOF OF VEHICLE, TAKEN TO DEALERSHIP AND SAID "NO RECALLS FOR THAT 2009 COLOR BUT ALSO SAID THERE WAS A 2008 AND A 2010 PAINT RECALL SO THE DEALERSHIP AND I PAID HALF AND HALF ABOUT 2 MONTHS I FOUND OUT THE CORROSION WAS ALSO ON THE HOOD SO I TOOK IT BACK I WAS TOLD THIS TIME THE WHOLE CAR HAD TO BE REPAINTED AN THE MONEY I SPENT PREVIOUSLY DID NOT COUNT BECAUSE I COULD NOT AFFORD TO REPAINT THE VEHICLE I LEFT IT ALONE."

AIRBAG SENSOR LIGHT ON DASH APPEARED. THIS HAPPENED OFF & ON FOR 2 MONTHS. WONDERED IF THERE WAS A PROBLEM WITH THE AIRBAG OR THE WARNING LIGHT! HONDA DEALER HAS TOLD US THAT THE DRIVER SIDE CURTAIN AIRBAG NEEDS A NEW INFLATER. WE ARE CONCERNED THAT THIS SAFETY FEATURE HAS ONLY LASTED 4 YEARS ON A VEHICLE WITH LESS THAN 40,000 MILES ON IT. COST TO REPLACE IS OVER $1100.00. HONDA HAS AGREED TO PAY ABOUT 1/2, BUT WE FEEL THIS IS A FACTORY DEFECT -- WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO RELY ON A SAFETY FEATURE FOR MORE THAN 4 YEARS ON A VEHICLE THAT SHOULD SERVE US FOR MANY YEARS! *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE ATTEMPTING TO RELEASE A CHILD FROM THE REAR PASSENGER'S SIDE OF THE VEHICLE, THE SEAT BELT FAILED AND THE CONTACT WAS UNABLE TO RELEASE THE CHILD FROM THE SEAT. THE CONTACT HAD TO SEVERE THE SEAT BELT STRAPS IN ORDER TO RELEASE THE CHILD FROM THE SEAT. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO A DEALER AND THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 70,000. *TR

VAN BEGAN TO STUTTER ON ACCELERATION AND CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON. TOOK TO PERSONAL MECHANIC WHO DIAGNOSED A MIS-FIRE IN CYLINDER #2. REMOVED SPARK PLUG TO FIND IT COATED WITH OIL AND CARBON. SAYS IT APPEARS OIL IS LEAKING THROUGH THE ENGINE VALVE STEM SEALS AND COATING THE PLUG. HE REPLACED THE PLUG. HAVE SINCE TOOK IT TO LOCAL HONDA DEALERSHIP AND PERFORMED AN OIL CONSUMPTION TEST. OVER 1 QUART CONSUMED IN 1200 MILES OF DRIVING. HAVE ASKED THAT STEM SEALS BE REPLACED UNDER GOOD WILL BUT HONDA HAS DENIED REQUEST BECAUSE SERVICE HAS NOT BEEN PERFORMED AT DEALERSHIP AND THUS THEY CANNOT GUARANTEE WORKMANSHIP AND PARTS INSTALLED. VEHICLE CONTINUES TO CONSUME OIL AND AFTER CHECKING #2 CYLINDER PLUG RECENTLY, CONTINUES TO CONTAMINATE SPARK PLUGS. *TR

BATTERY WENT DEAD AT IDLE WITH AC ON. WHILE STARTING HE ENGINE, A ABNORMAL SOUND WAS MAKE BY WHEN TRYING TO TURN THE ENGINE OVER AND THE AC FREON LEAKED OUT, DOORS WOULD NOT OPEN. AFTER SHUT DOWN, THE CAR WOULD NOT START AND DOORS WOULD NOT OPEN. *TR

MY PASSENGER POWER SLIDE DOOR KEPT OPENING UP WHILE DRIVING AND WOULD LATCH WHEN TURNED OFF WHICH DEADENED THE BATTERY IT WAS FIXED FOR $680.00. NOW THE OTHER SLIDE DOOR IS DOING THE SAME THING. LOOKING ONLINE THERE ARE MANY THAT HAVE HAD THIS HAPPEN TO. WHY HASN'T THERE BEEN A SAFETY RECALL ON THOSE DOORS. MY GRANDKIDS ARE ALWAYS BUCKLED IN, BUT DO YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS WHEN YOUR TRAVELING AND THE DOORS OPEN WHEN THEY ARE IN THE VAN, AND NOW I'M FACED WITH ANOTHER EXPENSIVE BILL AGAIN. WILL PROBABLY NEVER BUY ANOTHER HONDA AGAIN. *TR

SAFETY CONCERN THAT THE MANUFACTURE DID NOT ADDRESS RE; E-Z ON MOLDED # 86Y UNIVERSAL HARNESS. MY SON IS 9 AND HAS CEREBRAL PALSY HE WEIGHTS 98 LBS AND DUE TO HIS CONDITION HE CANNOT SIT ON A BOOSTER AND IS LARGE ENOUGH TO SIT IN A REGULAR SEAT. WE ARE USING THIS HARNESS SLOG WITH THE LAP SHOULDER BELT INSTITUTION ALONG WITH THE LOCKING CLIP (ITEM G ON THE OWNERS MANUAL). HOWEVER THE LOCKING CLIP IN THE ILLUSTRATION IS NEXT TO THE LATCH PLATE. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS CONFIGURATION DOES NOT WORK IN OUR HONDA ODYSSEY - AS WELL AS MOST OTHER CARS THE LOCKING CLIP HAS TO BE PLACED ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE AS IF YOU DO NOT THE SHOULDER BELT WILL NOT BE HELD IN A SECURE POSITION- WHEN I ASKED THEM IF THIS POSITION HAD BEEN CRASH TESTED - THEY TOLD ME YES BUT COULD PROVIDE NO DOCUMENTATION. WE LOVE THE HARNESS BUT I WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS SAFE FOR OUR SON. I CAN SEND YOU PICTURE IF YOU LIKE. THANKS FOR YOUR HELP. [XXX] INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR (RELATED VEHICLE INFORMATION: MODEL YEAR=2009, MAKE=ODYSSEY, MODEL=HONDA)

TAILGATE (TRUNK'S HATCHBACK) DOOR DOESN'T STAY OPEN AND KEEPS CLOSING BACK. *TR

THE STRUTS FAILED TO HOLD UP THE TAILGATE AND FALL ON MY WIFE HEAD, DURING THE LOADING OF OUR GROCERIES ON OUR RECENT GROCERY'S OUTING. THE TWO GAS-POWERED TAILGATE STRUTS (SUPPORT RODS) THAT RAISE AND HOLD UP THE POWER TAILGATE OF THE HONDA ODYSSEY VAN'S EQUIPPED WITH THEM FAILED TO HOLD UP THE TAILGATE. THEY ARE NOW NO LONGER FUNCTIONAL. *TR

WE OWN A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY THAT RECENTLY EXPERIENCED FAILED GAS STRUTS IN THE HATCH. AS A RESULT, MY WIFE WAS STRUCK IN THE HEAD INJURING HER. HONDA AGREED TO REPAIR EVEN THOUGH IT IS OUT OF THE 36K MILES WARRANTY. THERE IS A RECALL FOR THE 2009 ODYSSEY FOR THE EXACT SAME FAILURE MODE, BUT ONLY FOR THE MOTORIZED HATCH. (OURS IS NOT MOTORIZED). I WOULD LIKE YOU TO LOOK INTO THE POSSIBILITY OF HAVING HONDA INCREASE THE SCOPE OF THE RECALL TO INCLUDE NON-MOTORIZED HATCHES. THE DEALER TOOK POSSESSION OF THE GAS STRUTS FROM THE HATCH AS THEY INDICATED HONDA OF AMERICA DEMANDED THE PARTS FOR THEIR OWN RESEARCH. I WAS NOT ABLE TO HOLD ONTO THEM. BESIDES THE OBVIOUS INJURY MY WIFE INCURRED, MY YOUNG TODDLER TWINS WERE ALSO AT RISK IF THEY HAPPENED TO BE NEAR THE HATCH AND IT COLLAPSED. *TR

I JUST BOUGHT 2009 ODYSSEY FROM USED CAR DEALER AT 37125 MILES AND ON THE FIRST DAY ITSELF I NOTICED FEW PROBLEMS WITH THE VAN WHICH IS STILL UNDER POWER TRAIN WARRANTY. 1) IT MAKES A NOISE WITH LITTLE JERK DURING STARTUP, SEEMS LIKE TRANSMISSION ISSUE 2) STEERING WHEEL GETS LOTS OF VIBRATION BETWEEN THE SPEED OF 45MPH AND 57MPH AND LOOKS LIKE VAN IS BEING DRAGGED... 3) AT THE SPEED OF 40-50MPH THERE IS WIND SOUND COMING UNDERNEATH OF THE VAN LOOKS LIKE IT HAS SOME KIND OF RESISTANCE BY THE BADLY DESIGNED AERODYNAMIC BODY AND WHICH MAKES YOU FEEL THAT CAR WILL BE DRAGGED BY THE WIND. I HOPE HONDA SHOULD CONSIDER THIS ISSUE SERIOUSLY AS TRANSMISSION MAY CAUSE ACCIDENT ANY TIME, EVEN WIND DRAG AND STEERING VIBRATION MAY DEFINITELY CAUSE AN ACCIDENT. *TR

ENGINE OIL SERVICE WAS PERFORMED BY INDEPENDENT MECHANIC AT 33,599 MILES, WHO INFORMED THAT THE ENGINE OIL LEVEL WAS LOW PRIOR TO DRAINING THE CRANK CASE. I BEGAN MONITORING ENGINE OIL QUANTITY THEREAFTER. CURRENTLY WITH 39,252 MILES ON THE VEHICLE THE ENGINE OIL CONSUMPTION RATE IS ABOUT 1 QUART PER 2,500 MILES, WHICH SEEMS EXCESSIVE FOR AN ENGINE WITH LOW MILEAGE. THIS RATE EQUATES TO CONSUMPTION OF HALF OF THE ENTIRE CRANK CASE BETWEEN ENGINE OIL CHANGE CYCLES. IF NOT MONITORED AND FILLED THE ENGINE MAY BE DAMAGED DUE TO LOW ENGINE OIL QUANTITY AND PRESSURE. A SIGNIFICANT SAFETY IMPACT IS PRESENT IF THE OWNER IS NOT AWARE OF OIL CONSUMPTION AND THE ENGINE SEIZES. THE ENGINE IS THE HONDA SOHC VCM, 6-CYLINDER (V6), GASOLINE ENGINE. *TR

GAS STRUTS IN REAR HATCH FAILED. HATCH CAME DOWN QUICKLY AND WITHOUT WARNING. INJURY WAS MINOR ABRASION TO INDEX FINGER THAT DID NOT REQUIRE MEDICAL ATTENTION. BELIEVED TO BE RELATED TO HONDA RECALL #S22, NHTSA CAMPAIGN #12V062000. INQUIRED ABOUT RECALL CAMPAIGN TO LOCAL HONDA DEALER. HONDA DEALER RESPONDED THAT THE CAMPAIGN DOES NOT COVER THE MODEL IN QUESTION. CAMPAIGN SHOULD BE EXPANDED. *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE REAR LIFTGATE WOULD NOT REMAIN IN A SECURED UPWARD POSITION WHENEVER ACCESSING THE TRUNK AREA AND THE LIFT GATE WOULD CLOSE ABRUPTLY. THERE WAS A RECALL UNDER NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER 12V062000 (STRUCTURE: BODY: HATCHBACK/LIFTGATE: SUPPORT DEVICE ); HOWEVER THE CONTACT'S VIN WAS NOT INCLUDED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED OF THE PROBLEM. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 21,000.

VAN HAD A MINOR ACCIDENT IN THE FRONT END THAT I PURCHASED FROM MY BROTHER'S BODY SHOP. NOT SURE IF ACCIDENT CAUSED IT BUT, THE TRACTION CONTROL COMES ON PERIODICALLY FOR NO REASON, E.G. NOT RAINING, LOSING CONTROL OF VEHICLE. LOOKED AT BY 2 HONDA DEALERSHIPS AND NO ONE CAN FIX THE PROBLEM WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF MONEY BY LOOKING AT EVERY WIRE. TO DATE, MY BROTHER AND I HAVE SPENT ABOUT $5,000 REPLACING THE FRONT ABS SENSORS, FRONT WIRE HARNESS, STEERING ANGLE SENSOR, RACK AND PINION, BEARINGS, ABS MODULATOR, YANN SENSOR AND POWER STEERING PUMP. IN ORDER FOR THE TRACTION CONTROL NOT TO COME ON, WE MUST HIT THE BUTTON AND SHUT IT OFF...THEN THE TC LIGHT COMES ON THAT ITS OFF. I CALLED HONDA CUSTOMER SERVICE WITH NO HELP. THEY SENT ME A FOLLOW UP TO SEE IF I WAS HAPPY WITH CALL AND I SENT A 2 PAGE LETTER TO MR. SMITH, CUSTOMER SERVICE VP TO HELP ME FIX MY PROBLEM. ALTHOUGH I WOULD LIKE TO GET REIMBURSED, I WOULD SETTLE JUST TO HAVE HONDA FIX MY PROBLEM AT THEIR COST. AT THIS POINT, DRIVING WITH THE TRACTION CONTROL OFF IS VERY UNSAFE FOR MY WIFE AND TWO KIDS THAT DRIVE IN THE VAN. PLEASE NOTE, THIS IS MY SECOND VAN (PREVIOUSLY PURCHASED A 2006 BRAND NEW). I UNDERSTAND HONDA HAS A TRAINING CENTER IN VIRGINIA, AND I WOULD BE WILLING TO HAVE THEM LOOK AT IT TO SEE IF THEY CAN DIAGNOSE THE PROBLEM. ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE HONDA DEALERSHIPS, SOME OF THE OTHER 2009 VAN'S DO THE SAME THING. WE ARE NOT SURE IF THIS HAPPENED BEFORE THE ACCIDENT AND THIS IS THE REASON THE INDIVIDUAL SOLD IT TO MY BROTHER. PLEASE HELP...THIS IS VERY DANGEROUS AND HONDA DOES NOT APPEAR TO CARE ABOUT THIS PROBLEM. PLEASE CALL ME IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY OF THE LETTER I SENT HONDA. INFORMATION REDACTED PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT (FOIA), 5 U.S.C. 552(B)(6). *TR

THE FAULT DESCRIPTION RECENTLY REPORTED IN NHTSA CAMPAIGN NUMBER 13T006000 FOR MICHELIN TIRE FAILURE FOR A SERIES OF TIRES IS EXACTLY THAT I REPORTED IN COMPLAINT ODI NUMBER 10470716 LAST YEAR. I INCLUDED PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE 235/60R17 TIRES, TWO OF WHICH HAD FAILED, AND THE OTHER TWO WERE SHOWING DEGRADATION DAMAGE. THE 235/60R17 TIRES SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE RECALL. THANKS, *TR

THE VAN HAS MICHELIN 235/60R17 TIRES PURCHASED NEW IN 7/4/2009. ONE TIRE FAILED 3/5/12 WITH SIDEWALL RUPTURE AT 30,500 MILES; I HAVE A PHOTO OF THE DAMAGED MICHELIN TIRE AREA. TIRE HAD RAPID AIR LEAK - ESSENTIALLY A BLOWOUT; WAS GOING 20 MPH. SECOND TIRE FAILED ON 8/10/12 WITH LEAK AT 35,700 MILES. TIRE HAD SIDEWALL LEAK DEFLATING TIRE IN 10-12 MINUTES; WAS GOING 15 MPH. SECOND TIRE ID IS 235/60R17 102T 1391H3MNX 5008. HAVE PHOTO OF TIRE LEAK AREA. SECOND FAILED TIRE AND TWO REMAINING MICHELIN TIRES ON VAN APPEAR TO HAVE DRY ROT ON SIDEWALLS. REMAINING TIRES HAVE SAME ID AND 5008 AND 0209 AT END. IN BOTH CASES, TIRE WAS NOT HIT AND SHOWS NO DAMAGE OTHER THAN SIDEWALL RUBBER DEGRADING. TREAD DEPTH IS GOOD. HAVE PHOTOS SHOWING DRY ROT DEGRADATION. I HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN TWO REMAINING MICHELIN TIRES AND AM REPLACING REMAINING TIRES ON VAN WITH THE SECOND MICHELIN FAILED TIRE. *TR

WHILE OPENING MY TAILGATE ON MY HONDA ODYSSEY VAN YESTERDAY AT AROUND 6:00 P.M. IT FELL DOWN ON MY HEAD. WHAT WOULD CAUSE THAT TO HAPPEN? I DID NOT DO ANYTHING TO TRY AND FIX IT. THE DEALERSHIP WAS CLOSED. *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT WHILE DRIVING 50 MPH, THE VEHICLE VIBRATED AND JERKED ABNORMALLY. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER FOR DIAGNOSIS BUT THE DEALER WAS UNABLE TO DUPLICATE THE PROBLEM. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED AND THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 40,000. *TR

WHILE DRIVING ON AN INTERSTATE AT APPROXIMATELY 65-70MPH, THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON AND THE CAR BEGAN TO RIDE VERY ROUGH (APPROXIMATE DATE OF 6/1/2012 AT ~65,000 MILES). PULLED OFF THE HIGHWAY AND HAD THE CAR TOWED TO THE NEAREST HONDA DEALERSHIP (AS RECOMMENDED IN OWNERS' MANUAL). SERVICE AT DEALERSHIP INSPECTED THE CAR AND FOUND THE SPARK PLUGS TO BE FOULED. REPLACED SPARK PLUGS (#3 WAS ONE), AND ALL SEEMED FINE. THE SAME SCENARIO HAPPENED AGAIN ON JANUARY 31, 2013 (AT 75,126 MILES) - AGAIN WITH NO WARNING THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON (WHILE DRIVING) AND CAR BEGAN TO SPUTTER. HAD CAR TOWED TO NEAREST DEALERSHIP. AGAIN THE SPARK PLUGS (#3 SPECIFICALLY) WERE FOULED. REPLACED THE ALL SPARK PLUGS. FOUND OUT THAT I WAS TWO QUARTS LOW ON OIL EVENTHOUGH THE OIL HAD BEEN RECENTLY CHANGED (1/7/13 AT ~73,000 MILES) AND NO OIL WAS LEAKING FROM MY CAR (I.E. NO OIL SPOTS ON DRIVEWAY, ETC...). THE SAME SCENARIO HAPPENED AGAIN ON 5/2/2013 (AT 81,320 MILES)...CHECK ENGINE LIGHT CAME ON (WHILE DRIVING AND WITH NO WARNING), CAR STARTS TO SPUTTER. I HAVE IT TOWED TO NEAREST DEALERSHIP, AND THE SPARK PLUG (#3) ARE FOUND TO BE FOULED AGAIN. AGAIN, OIL IS TWO QUARTS LOW (OIL HAD BEEN CHANGED ON 3/21/13 AT 78,976 MILES). FIX ALL AGAIN AND CHANGE OIL TO TO AN OIL CONSUMPTION TEST. TEST FOUND THAT MY CAR IS CONSUMING AT LEAST 1 QT OF OIL PER 1000 MILES AND THAT IS CAUSING MY SPARK PLUGS TO FOUL. HONDA SAYS MY OIL CONSUMPTION IS WITHIN "NORMAL PARAMETERS" AND WILL DO NOTHING TO FIX THE PROBLEM. HONDA FEELS THAT HAVING TO ADD OIL EVERY 1000 MILES ACCPETABLE. I DISAGREE! IF I DON'T CHECK THE OIL EVERY 1000 MILES (AND ADD AT LEAST A QT), THEN I RISK DRIVING WITH NO OIL WHICH WILL CAUSE MY ENGINE TO SEIZE. ALSO, EVEN ADDING THE OIL DOESN'T RESOLVE FREQUENT SPARK PLUG DAMAGE CAUSING ENGINE BREAKDOWN. THIS CAR IS UNRELIABLE AND UNSAFE! *TR

WE WERE COMING DOWN A MOUNTAIN AND EVEN THOUGH I WAS USING THE ENGINE TO SLOW DOWN THE BRAKES STARTED PULSING AND THE STEERING WHEEL STARTED SHAKING. SINCE THAT TIME THE PROBLEM HAS GOTTEN WORSE AND NOW HAPPENS AT HIGHWAY SPEEDS. THE PROBLEM DOES NOT GO AWAY UNTIL THE BRAKES HAVE COOLED COMPLETELY DOWN. I CHECKED ON LINE AND FOUND OUT THAT THIS HAS BEEN A PROBLEM WITH THE ODYSSEY'S FOR YEARS AND HAPPENS EVEN AFTER REPLACING THE PADS AND ROTORS. OUR VEHICLE NOW HAS 74,000 MILES ON IT AND WHEN THE PROBLEM OCCURS THE SHAKING OF THE STEERING WHEEL CAN BE SEVERE. *TR

ON MAY 12, 2012, I WAS DRIVING ABOUT 50 MPH WHEN THE VAN STARTED TO SPUTTER. I CAME TO A RED LIGHT AND THE CAR ACTED AS IF IT WERE ABOUT TO CUT OFF. THE CHECK ENGINE LIGHT STARTED BLINKING ALONG WITH THE VSA LIGHT. IT RODE VERY ROUGH ALL THE WAY TO THE CLOSEST HONDA DEALERSHIP AS I WAS NOT IN MY HOMETOWN. THEY INFORMED ME THAT ONE OF THE SPARK PLUGS NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. I WENT AHEAD AND REPLACED ALL OF THEM TO THE TUNE OF $308.23. ON NOVEMBER 23, 2012, I WAS DRIVING ABOUT 60 MPH WHEN THE SAME THING HAPPENED. THE MILEAGE WAS 105,001. AGAIN, I WAS OUT OF TOWN AND DROVE THE CAR TO THE NEAREST HONDA DEALERSHIP. THEY SAID THE #3 SPARK PLUG HAD FOULED OUT. I TOLD THEM TO REPLACE ONLY THE #3 PLUG. ON MY RECEIPT IT SAYS, "RETRIEVED CODE P0303...MISFIRE #3 CYLINDER...FOUND SPARK PLUG FOULED OUT. POSSIBLE FAULTY VALVE SEALS...REPLACED SPARK PLUG AND PERFORMED PCM SOFTWARE UPDATE." THAT COST ME $138.76. ON THE DRIVE HOME THE AIR CONDITIONING STARTED TO ACT UP. IT WOULD RUN BUT SOMETIMES IT WAS COLD AND SOMETIMES THE AIR WAS NOT. ON NOVEMBER 24, 2012, I TOOK THE CAR TO THE HONDA DEALERSHIP THAT I NORMALLY USE. THEY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS WRONG WITH THE AIR CONDITIONING EXCEPT FOR A DIRTY CABIN FILTER. THEY REPLACED IT AND CHARGED ME $131.97. HOWEVER, THEY SAID MY BRAKES WERE WORN OUT. THAT COST $359.68. THEN THERE WAS THE BRAKE FLUID EXCHANGE, TRANSMISSION FLUID EXCHANGE, AND POWER STEERING FLUSH. ALL IN ALL THE VISIT COST ME $1049.61. FUNNY, ON NOVEMBER 19, 2012, I HAD TAKEN THE VAN IN FOR AN OIL CHANGE AND THEY DID A COURTESY INSPECTION. NO MENTION OF BRAKE PROBLEM. NOVEMBER 26, 2012, CAR DEAD, WOULDN'T START. THEY REPLACED THE BATTERY UNDER WARRANTY. DECEMBER 3, 2012, CAR DEAD AGAIN. INVOICE READS, "A/C CLUTCH RELAY STUCK KILLING BATTERY MAKING A/C COMPRESSOR RUN EVEN WHEN A/C OFF." FIXED FOR FREE DUE TO ALL THE PROBLEMS. *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE REAR LIFT GATE WOULD NOT REMAIN OPEN BECAUSE THE GREASE IN THE HINGE WAS LEAKING. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO THE DEALER FOR DIAGNOSTIC. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE APPROXIMATE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 24,000.

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE REAR LIFT GATE FAILED TO REMAIN OPEN BECAUSE THE GAS FILLED STRUTS FAILED. AN AUTHORIZED DEALER WAS NOTIFIED AND STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL ASSOCIATED WITH NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER 12V062000 (STRUCTURE: BODY: HATCHBACK/LIFTGATE: SUPPORT DEVICE). THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOTIFIED AND ALSO STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS NOT INCLUDED IN THE RECALL. THEY OFFERED NO OTHER ASSISTANCE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 30,000.

THE AIR CONDITIONING (A/C) CONTROL RELAY ON MY 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY FAILED LESS THAN 3 YEARS AFTER PURCHASE, CAUSING INTERMITTENT ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS THAT WOULD PREVENT THE CAR FROM STARTING. WHEN THE CAR'S IGNITION SWITCH IS PLACED IN THE "ACCESSORY I" POSITION, ONLY THE AUDIO SYSTEM AND ACCESSORY POWER SOCKETS SHOULD BE ENGAGED AND ABLE TO OPERATE. MY A/C CONTROL RELAY FAILED IN THE CLOSED POSITION, CAUSING THE A/C COMPRESSOR IN MY CAR TO RUN CONTINUOUSLY, EVEN WHEN THE IGNITION SWITCH WAS IN THE ACCESSORY I POSITION. THE END RESULT WAS WHENEVER I LEFT THE IGNITION SWITCH IN THE ACCESSORY POSITION FOR MORE THEN A COUPLE MINUTES, THE RUNNING A/C COMPRESSOR WOULD VERY QUICKLY DRAIN THE BATTERY, LEAVING THE CAR UNABLE TO START. PLACING THE IGNITION SWITCH IN THE ACCESSORY POSITION FOR A MATTER OF MINUTES SHOULD NOT RESULT IN A PERSON BEING STRANDED !!! THE PART NUMBER FOR THE A/C COMPRESSOR RELAY ON MY 2009 ODYSSEY IS OMRON G8HL-H71. HONDA'S CORRESPONDING PART NUMBER IS FOR THIS RELAY IS 39794-SDA-A03. *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE BRAKES FELT ABNORMALLY SPONGY WHEN DEPRESSED. WHILE STOPPED AT A TRAFFIC STOP ON AN INCLINE, THE CONTACT DEPRESSED THE BRAKES WHEN THE BRAKES FAILED AND CAUSED THE CONTACT TO CRASH INTO ANOTHER VEHICLE. THERE WERE NO INJURIES AND THE POLICE WERE NOT CONTACTED. ONE WEEK PRIOR TO THE CRASH, THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER FOR REPLACEMENT OF THE BRAKE PADS AND THE RESURFACING OF THE ROTORS. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT NOTIFIED OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 92,000.

MY TAILGATE SUPPORT STRUTS FAILED IN 2012. THEY WERE SUBJECT TO A RECALL AND WERE REPLACED. THEY HAVE NOW FAILED AGAIN IN THE SAME MANNER. I HAD TO REPLACE THEM AGAIN 2/12/2015 AT A COST OF $!56.31. JUST AS WHEN THEY WERE RECALLED, THE STRUTS STOPPED SUPPORTING THE WEIGHT OF THE DOOR SO THAT WHEN IT OPENS, IT SUDDENLY COMES DOWN AGAIN. IT HAS HIT ME IN THE HEAD AS I REACHED INTO THE REAR TO GRAB A BAG. EVEN WHEN YOU OPEN IT MANUALLY, THE STRUTS CANNOT HOLD THE DOOR OPEN AND IT SLUMPS DOWN ABOUT HALFWAY OPEN. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME ISSUE THAT CAUSED THE STRUTS TO BE RECALLED IN 2012. THIS IS A DESIGN DEFECT IN THE 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY AND HONDA SHOULD PAY FOR ANY REPAIRS. *TR

SOFT BRAKES: CAR DOES NOT STOP UNLESS BRAKES ARE PUMPED VERY HARD TO THE FLOOR. *TR

THIS IS THE "FOURTH INCIDENT," THIRD CLAIM. PRIOR CLAIM ODI ID#'S ARE: 10438034 AND 10439310. THE LATEST INCIDENT OCCURRED ON 1/14/12 (12/59PM), 2 MINUTES AFTER I STARTED ENGINE (COLD) IN MY DRIVEWAY AND AS I APPROACHED THE STOP SIGN AT 175 FROM MY DRIVEWAY. I WAS COMING TO AN ALMOST COMPLETE STOP WITH MY FOOT ON THE BRAKE AND THE ENGINE ALMOST AT IDLE. THE ENGINE SUDDENLY STARTED TO RACE AND THE VEHICLE BEGAN TO SURGE FORWARD. SINCE MY FOOT WAS ALREADY ON THE BRAKE, I WAS ABLE TO PRESS HARD TO KEEP IT FROM CONTINUING FORWARD AND I IMMEDIATELY SHIFTED INTO NEUTRAL. THE RACING STOPPED AND THE ENGINE IDLED. AT THE SAME TIME A BICYCLIST CROSSED MY BATH AND WOULD HAVE BEEN RUN OVER HAD I NOT REACTED SO QUICKLY. *TR

A SIX YEAR OLD BOY WAS PLAYING WITH A SEATBELT BUCKLE. HE STUCK HIS FINGER IN THE SQUARE PART OF THE BUCKLE AND THE FINGER WAS STUCK. DESPITE BEST EFFORTS WE WERE UNABLE TO GET HIS FINGER OUT. THE SEATBELT HAD TO BE CUT, THE BOY/BUCKLE HAD TO BE TAKEN TO THE ER WHERE BOLT CUTTERS WERE USED TO REMOVE THE BUCKLE. *TR

REAR BACK HATCH SUSPENSION SHOCKS LEAK AND LOSE PRESSURE. PER HONDA DEALERSHIP COULD BE A ON GOING PROBLEM AND NEEDS REPLACED EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS. PER THE HONDA DEALERSHIP, THEY HAVE SEEN THIS HAPPEN IN VEHICLES THAT ARE A YEAR OLD. *TR

THE REAR POWERED TAILGATE HAS MALFUNCTIONED. THE STRUTS DO NOT HOLD THE DOOR OPEN AND WHEN YOU OPEN THE HATCH WITH THE POWERE BUTTON IT FULLY OPENS THEN JERKS TWO TIMES THEN CLOSES. IF YOU OPEN THE HATCH MANUALLY THE STRUTS DO NOT HOLD THE DOOR AT ALL AND IT SLAMS SHUT. *TR

AS I WAS UNLOADING GROCERIES FROM THE REAR OF MY VAN, THE LIFT GATE SUDDENLY AND UNEXPECTEDLY DROPPED ON ME. I WAS NOT INJURED BUT IF I HAD BEEN A SMALL CHILD OR A WEAK ELDERLY PERSON IT COULD HAVE HAD TRAGIC RESULTS. THE SAME PROBLEM OCCURRED WHEN I TRIED TO OPEN THE GATE A SECOND TIME WHILE STANDING SAFELY AWAY FROM THE VEHICLE. THE PROBLEM SEEMS TO BE WITH THE STAY ASSEMBLY TAILGATE OPENER WHICH KEEPS THE GATE IN THE OPEN POSITION. THERE WAS NO PROBLEM EARLIER IN THE DAY WHEN I LOADED GROCERIES INTO THE VAN HOWEVER.. *TR

THIS IS A SECOND FILING AS A THIRD INCIDENT HAS OCCURRED. THE NEW INCIDENT OCCURRED ON 12/5/2011 (5:45 P.M.) IN MY DRIVEWAY IMMEDIATELY AFTER STARTING THE ENGINE WHICH HAD BEEN OF FOR 40 MINUTES, BUT PRIOR TO THAT DRIVEN FOR 40 MINUTES. ONCE AGAIN THE ENGINE "SUDDENLY AND UNEXPECTEDLY" RACED. MY FOOT WAS NOT ON THE ACCELERATOR. TEXT FROM THE PRIOR FILING (ODI# 10438034) IS FOLLOWS: ON TWO OCCASIONS (11/28/2011 AND 11/30/2011), AFTER DRIVING FOR SEVERAL MINUTES (WARMED UP ENGINE) AND WHILE APPROACHING A STOP LIGHT AT ABOUT 3 MPH (ALMOST STOPPED) AND WHEN THE ENGINE HAD ALREADY COME TO IDLE, THE ENGINE SUDDENLY SURGED (RACED, WITH THE TACHOMETER JUMPING OVER HALFWAY). THE CAR LUNGED FORWARD, BUT I PRESSED HARD ON THE BRAKES AND PUSHED THE SHIFTER INTO NEUTRAL. THEN THE ENGINE IDLED AND RAN FINE UNTIL THE SECOND INCIDENT DURING WHICH THE EXACT SAME EVENT OCCURRED. IN BOTH CASES HAD I NOT ALREADY HAD MY FOOT ON THE BRAKE PREPARING TO STOP, THE CAR WOULD HAVE CRASHED INTO THE CAR THAT WAS STOPPED AT THE STOP LIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. I TOOK THE CAR INTO THE LOCAL HONDA DEALER TODAY, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO IDENTIFY ANY PROBLEM. *TR

ON TWO OCCASIONS (11/28/2011 AND 11/30/2011), AFTER DRIVING FOR SEVERAL MINUTES (WARMED UP ENGINE) AND WHILE APPROACHING A STOP LIGHT AT ABOUT 3 MPH (ALMOST STOPPED) AND WHEN THE ENGINE HAD ALREADY COME TO IDLE, THE ENGINE SUDDENLY SURGED (RACED, WITH THE TACHOMETER JUMPING OVER HALFWAY). THE CAR LUNGED FORWARD, BUT I PRESSED HARD ON THE BRAKES AND PUSHED THE SHIFTER INTO NEUTRAL. THEN THE ENGINE IDLED AND RAN FINE UNTIL THE SECOND INCIDENT DURING WHICH THE EXACT SAME EVENT OCCURRED. IN BOTH CASES HAD I NOT ALREADY HAD MY FOOT ON THE BRAKE PREPARING TO STOP, THE CAR WOULD HAVE CRASHED INTO THE CAR THAT WAS STOPPED AT THE STOP LIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. I TOOK THE CAR INTO THE LOCAL HONDA DEALER TODAY, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO IDENTIFY ANY PROBLEM. *TR

FIRST OCCURRENCE HAPPENED ON 11/24/2011, WHEN I OPEN THE GATE TO GET LUGGAGE, THE AUTOMATIC LIFTGATE OPENED ALL THE WAY UP, BOUNCE COUPLE OF TIMES AND STARTED TO CLOSE. IF I TRIED TO OPEN THE GATE MANUALLY, IT WOULD PULL AND TRIED TO CLOSE. I PULLED THE FUSE TO TRY TO RESET THE LIFTGATE TO NO AVAIL. *KB

OEM TIRES ON 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY, MICHELIN 235/65R-16 ENERGY LX4..13,500 MILES ON VEHICLE...SEVERE SIDEWALL CRACKING FOUND 10-23-11. TAKEN TO DISCOUNT TIRE FOR WARRANTY...7/32 TREAD VEHICLE 2 YRS OLD. TIRES ARE DEFECTIVE *ALL 4 EXPERIENCE SAME TYPE OF CRACKS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE TIRES, MICHELIN WILL NOT WARRANTY CRACKS, HOWEVER WILL COVER COST OF REPLACEMENT MINUS $ 219.00 WAS NOT INFORMED OF THIS WHEN PURCHASING VEHICLE NEW....THEY SAY WE ARE SORRY, BUT OUR LIABILITY IS ONLY 7/10 OF WHAT IT WAS...THEY ARE DEFECTIVE.... *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE VEHICLE WAS STOPPED AND SHE WAS UNABLE TO REMOVE A CHILD FROM THE REAR PASSENGER SEAT BECAUSE THE CHILD BECAME TANGLED IN THE SEAT BELT. IN ORDER TO FREE THE CHILD, THE CONTACT HAD TO CUT THE SEAT BELT. AS A RESULT, THE CHILD SUFFERED BRUISING FROM THE SEAT BELT. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO HAVE THE FAILURE DIAGNOSED OR REPAIRED. THE MANUFACTURER WAS NOT MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 51,000. UPDATED 12/06/11*LJ THE DEALER INFORMED THE CONSUMER THE TRACTOR WOULD NOT RELEASE, ONCE IT BECAME TANGLED. THE PASSENGER REAR SEAT BELT WAS REPLACED ON NOVEMBER 7, 2011

MY WIFE TRIED TO OPEN THE (POWERED) LIFTGATE VIA THE HANDLE. THE LIFTGATE WOULD NOT OPEN THIS WAY. WHEN SHE TRIED THE REMOTE, IT OPENED IT APX 90 PERCENT OF THE WAY. WHEN IT REACHED THE APX 90 PERCENT MARK, IT SEEMED THAT THE MOTOR OPENING IT JAMMED AND THE GATE CAME DOWN QUITE QUICKLY, FALLING UNEXPECTEDLY ON MY WIFE'S BACK. I RESEARCHED THIS PROBLEM AND SAW THAT THERE IS AN OPEN INVESTIGATION ON THIS SAME MATTER (NHTSA CAMPAIGN ID NUMBER: PE11034). *KB

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE REAR DOOR LIFTGATE FAILED. THE LIFTGATE WOULD ONLY OPEN HALF WAY AND THE CONTACT HAD TO HOLD THE LIFTGATE UP MANUALLY FOR THE GATE TO FULLY OPEN. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT TAKEN TO THE DEALER TO BE DIAGNOSED. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE. THE FAILURE AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 76,000.

THE POWER BACK HATCH ON MY 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY EX L SLAMS SHUT AND WILL NOT HOLD. THE POWER BACK HATCH OPENS ALL THE WAY UP, TRIES TO STAY UP BUT SLAMS BACK DOWN. WHILE LOADING THE VEHICLE WITH LUGGAGE THE HATCH SLAMMED DOWN ON MY BACK KNOCKING ME TO THE GROUND. THE STRUT FAILED WITHOUT WARNING. *TR

TL* THE CONTACT OWNS A 2009 HONDA ODYSSEY. THE CONTACT STATED THAT RIGHT AFTER THE IGNITION WAS STARTED, THE DRIVER SIDE CURTAIN AIR BAG DEPLOYED WITHOUT WARNING. THE VEHICLE WAS TOWED TO A DEALER WHO VERIFIED THE FAILURE BUT WAS NOT ABLE TO DIAGNOSED THE CAUSE. THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE WHO STATED THAT THEY WOULD CONTACT HER BACK AT A LATER DATE. THE VEHICLE WAS NOT REPAIRED. THE FAILURE AND CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 69,000. THE VIN WAS NOT AVAILABLE.

WHILE THE REAR DOOR (HATCH) WAS OPEN AND I WAS UNLOADING THE VEHICLE, WITH NO WARNING, THE HATCH SLAMMED DOWN. I OPENED THE HATCH AGAIN, AND IT WILL NO LONGER STAY OPEN ON IT'S ON. *TT